Another Key Terrorist Captured

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Goodbye and Good Riddance

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Recently, Rosie O’Donnell has made some statements on The View which have created a bit of controversy.

Recently, Rosie O’Donnell has made some statements on The View which have created a bit of controversy.

“No, but I do believe it’s the first time in history that fire has melted steel – I do believe that it defies physics for the World Trade Center Building 7, which collapsed in on itself, it is impossible for a building to fall the way it fell without explosives being involved – World Trade Center 7.”

“One and two got hit by planes, 7 miraculously, the first time in history, steel was melted by fire – it is physically impossible,”

“I don’t know but to say we don’t know and it was imploded in a demolition is beyond ignorant, look at the films get a physics expert here from Yale, from Harvard, pick the school, it defies reason.”

I write this, not to pile on and call for her firing, but to do the opposite. I also write this to the people who have concluded that the buildings collapsed by fire but think Rosie must go.

There is a distinct difference between Rosie and Steven Jones. Rosie is not a professor teaching children science. She is a comedian on a talk show. It is reasonable to suggest she doesn’t have the time, or even know how to research this on the internet. (I’m sure she believes she has but the evidence shows she hasn’t) I find it hard to believe she is one of the “Eyes open” conspiracy theorists. I suspect she saw some internet videos and read some conspiracy sites without seriously having the time to research this on her own. While I feel it would have been better to call Yale or Harvard before making those claims, I find the idea of censoring her even more disturbing. Even if that censorship is only in the corporate media.

I ask, is this what America has devolved to? Can anyone speak their mind anymore? Are we so fearful a culture that we have become little McCarthys – looking to take away anyone’s job who says anything misinformed?

I hope not; I don’t want to live in that kind of America. The America I grew up in was an example of freedom to the world. As long as it doesn’t affect one’s job, we should be able to say anything we want about a major event, (As long as it respects the memories of the people who died on 9/11)  without repercussions.

We also pledge allegiance to the flag, not to politicians. Our founding fathers expected us to question our leaders as they questioned theirs. Not to question our leaders may be the most unpatriotic thing we can do. Rosie hasn’t said the government did it but I suspect much of the push to get her fired is because of her contempt for the present administration.

With that said, let me address Rosie’s statement directly.

“I do believe it’s the first time in history that fire has melted steel”

This was an obvious error in communicating. I’m sure she realizes that fires DO melt steel. That’s how it is manufactured. So the question becomes, “what did she mean?

Rosie writes back to a reader on her blog…

judy writes:

Rosie, did you know steel is made with fire i know this because my hubby works in a steel mill.
please answer you never answer my questions

Rosie writes:

yes
did u know water freezes at 32degrees
no at 34 or 67 but 32

steel melts at 2700 degrees

no steel building in history
has even been pulverized into dust
like wtc7
by a fire

I suspect that what Rosie doesn’t know is that the fires didn’t need to melt the steel to collapse the building as the conspiracy sites she links to suggest. They only had to weaken the steel. Even at 300C, steel loses 20% of its strength. Scientific studies, even from other countries, say that a normal office fire can reach over 1,100C.

She also may not know that steel oxidizes when exposed to low levels of heat for an extended time, as would be the case in the debris pile. Anyone expecting Rosie to know this is just character assassinating. There were thousands of gallons of fuel oil missing from the WTC Con Ed sub station. It wasn’t found by the workers cleaning up the site. Where did it go? It’s not unreasonable to conclude that it burned. Especially given the fires which burned so long. What she also fails to ask herself is how explosives would have caused the effect. If she thinks it’s thermite, the tons needed and the horizontal cut would make it near impossible, even for the government, to do covertly. Canisters – for which there is no evidence of existence other than a patent, and for which there is no evidence whatsoever that they would work on vertical columns –  would have to be wrapped around each column, using conspiracy theorist logic. Remember, they say all the connections were cut, which is (according to them) the only way the building could have fallen as fast as they did. No resistance, remember? All of the office workers came in and never questioned the drywall around the columns, which would have been widened to accommodate the canisters? Or is the suggestion they were all murderous NEO-CONS working in the building, who saw the covert work done as part of the master plan? How huge is this conspiracy? It seems to grow by the thousands per month. All of the news reporters and now all of the workers in the WTC7? With all due respect Rosie, how much can you swallow?

The idea that no buildings have ever collapsed due to fires is also misinformation fed to her by the “eyes open” conspiracy theorists. Let’s see the examples…

The McCormick Center in Chicago and the Sight and Sound Theater in Pennsylvania are examples of steel structures collapsing. The theater was fire protected using drywall and spray on material. A high rise in Philly didn’t collapse after a long fire but firefighters evacuated the building when a pancake structural collapse was considered likely. Other steel-framed buildings partially collapsed due fires one after only 20 minutes.

The steel framed McCormick Center was at the time the World’s largest exhibition center. It like the WTC used long steel trusses to create a large open space without columns. Those trusses were unprotected but of course much of the WTC lost it’s fire protection due to the impacts.

“As an example of the damaging effect of fire on steel, in 1967, the original heavy steel-constructed McCormick Place exhibition hall in Chicago collapsed only 30 minutes after the start of a small electrical fire.”

http://www.wconline.com/CDA/Archive/24ae78779d768010Vgn
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[Note this article has several comments from engineers who back the
WTC collapse theory.]

“The unprotected steel roof trusses failed early on in the fire”

http://www.chipublib.org/004chicago/disasters/mccormick_fire.html

The McCormick Place fire “is significant because it illustrates the fact that steel-frame buildings can collapse as a result of exposure to fire. This is true for all types of construction materials, not only steel.” wrote Robert Berhinig, associate manager of UL’s Fire Protection Division and a registered professional engineer. He also discusses UL’s steel fire certification much more knowledgably than Kevin Ryan. He is an example of one more highly qualified engineer who supports the collapse theory.

http://www.iaei.org/subscriber/magazine/02_d/berhinig.htm

From the FEMA report of the theater fire, my comments in [ ]
www.interfire.org/res_file/pdf/Tr-097.pdf

On the morning of January 28, 1997, in the Lancaster County, Pennsylvania township of Strasburg, a fire caused the collapse of the state-of-the-art, seven year old Sight and Sound Theater and resulted in structural damage to most of the connecting buildings.
The theater was a total loss, valued at over $15 million.

pg 6/74

The theater was built of steel rigid frame construction to allow for the large open space of the auditorium, unobstructed by columns… The interior finish in the auditorium was drywall.

The stage storage area, prop assembly building, and prop maintenance building were protected with a sprayed-on fire resistant coating on all structural steel. The plans called for the coating to meet a two-hour fire resistance assembly rating. The sprayed-on coating, which was susceptible to damage from the movement of theater equipment, was protected by attaching plywood coverings on the columns to a height of eight feet.

The walls of the storage area beneath the stage were layered drywall to provide a two-hour fire protection rating for the mezzanine offices [the WTC used drywall as fire protection in the central core] , and sprayed-on fire-resistant coatings on the structural
steel columns and ceiling bar joists supporting the stage floor.
pg 15/74

The two theater employees told the State Police Fire Investigator that when they first discovered the fire they noticed that the sprayed-on fire proofing had been knocked off the underside of the stage floor bar joists and support steel. The fire proofing was hanging on the wire mesh used to hold the coating to the overhead. The investigation revealed that the construction company’s removal of the stage floor covering down to the corrugated decking involved striking the floor hard enough to knock off the sprayed-on protection, exposing the structural steel and bar-joists in the storage area. [The theater’s spray-on fireproofing was newer and more modern than at the WTC, The theater was only seven years old. If striking the floor during renovations was enough to dislodge it imagine the impact of a 767]

pg 16/74

Temperatures of 1000° F can cause buckling and temperatures of 1500° F can cause steel to lose strength and collapse. When the heat and hot gases reached the stage ceiling they extended horizontally into the auditorium, causing the roof to fail all the way to the lobby fire wall. The fire also extended horizontally from the stage to the elevated hallway, causing the structural steel to fail and buckle in the prop assembly and prop maintenance buildings

pg 17/74

Once the heat of the fire caused the structural steel to fail in the storage area (aided by the damage to the sprayed-on fire protection during renovation), interior firefighting became too hazardous to continue. The truck crews ventilating the roof noted metal
discoloration and buckling steel.

pg. 21/74

The two hour fire resistance-rated assembly in the storage area beneath the stage was damaged during the stage floor renovation, leaving the structural members unprotected from the ensuing fire.

pg. 26/74

Buildings constructed of steel should, in effect, be considered unprotected and capable of collapse from fire in as few as ten minutes. Fire resistant coatings sprayed onto structural steel are susceptible to damage from construction work.

The impact of fire and heat on structural steel members warrant extreme caution by firefighters.

pg. 36/74
Unless the steel members are cooled with high-volume hose streams, the fire’s heat can rapidly cause steel to lose its strength and contribute to building collapse.
pg. 37/74

Other Fires

In February 1991, a fire broke out in One Meridian Plaza – a 38 story office building in Philadelphia. The building was built during the same period as the WTC and had spray-on fire protection on its steel frame. Despite not suffering impact damage, authorities were worried it might collapse.

“All interior firefighting efforts were halted after almost 11 hours of uninterrupted fire in the building. Consultation with a structural engineer and structural damage observed by units operating in the building led to the belief that there was a
possibility of a pancake structural collapse of the fire damaged
floors.”

 http://www.usfa.fema.gov/downloads/txt/publications/tr-049.txt

About 2 years later, the NYFD was concerned that a steel framed building that partially collapsed during after a gas explosion might collapse entirely due to the resulting fire.

http://www.usfa.fema.gov/downloads/pdf/publications/TR-068.pdf

Part of a floor of an unprotected steel frame building collapsed in Brackenridge, Pennsylvania on, December 20, 1991, killing 4 volunteer firemen.

http://www.usfa.fema.gov/downloads/pdf/publications/TR-061.pdf

Part of the roof of a steel framed school in Virginia collapsed about 20 minutes after fire broke out


http://www.usfa.fema.gov/downloads/pdf/publications/tr-135.pdf

The truth about the Madrid Fire…

The steel which was not encased in concrete also collapsed early from fire. NONE of the WTC 7 steel was encased in concrete.

Explosions were also heard…

“Bright orange flames shot out the sides of the Windsor Building, which is near one of Madrid’s main boulevards.

The fire started around 11:30 p.m. Saturday and was still burning out of control several hours later. At least nine upper stories were on fire and muffled explosions could be heard in the building.”

http://newsfromrussia.com/accidents/2005/02/13/58231.html

Steel columns snapping under tremendous tension will make an explosive sound. Be it in Madrid or the World Trade Center.

The statement ” I do believe that it defies physics for the World Trade Center Building 7, which collapsed in on itself, it is impossible for a building to fall the way it fell without explosives being involved” is also not based in fact. She can believe anything she wants but it’s quite another thing to prove it. One misinformation she’s been fed is the speed of it’s collapse. It did NOT fall in less than 7 seconds. Here’s the evidence…

 

Seismic readings say the collapse took at least 18 seconds. It’s not impossible for the collapse to have started on the south side away from cameras well before the less than 7 seconds of north face collapse. In fact the evidence supports it.

Rosie said:

“no steel building in history
has even been pulverized into dust
like wtc7
by a fire”

Rosie, no steel building has ever been “pulverized into dust”, even to this day. Career conspiracy theorists point to a photo taken from well above the debris pile as supposed evidence that WTC7 was pulverized into a small pile.

But camera angles can be deceptive, as career conspiracy theorists know. Below is evidence that the pile was much taller than conspiracy theorists say.

It looks to me like the firemen atop the aerial ladder are about four stories high. That means the pile is more than eight stories high, taking the camera angle into account. That doesn’t include what fell into the rather large basement.

More Photos here

 “I don’t know but to say we don’t know and it was imploded in a demolition is beyond ignorant, look at the films get a physics expert here from Yale, from Harvard, pick the school, it defies reason.”

I challenge Rosie. I challenge her to keep her word and talk to a civil or structural engineer from Harvard or Yale. I suspect that’s what she meant by “physics experts” since physics experts have little to do with building construction and design. It is civil and structural engineers who will know what the buildings can and can not do. ANY structural or civil engineering professor from a RESPECTED university will do.

Not ONE civil or structural engineer has passed a peer reviewed paper by a respected scientific journal suggesting what Rosie is saying. ( The Journal Of 911 studies is NOT a respected scientific journal. The journal was invented for the same reason creationist journals were. Because their notions can not stand up to REAL scientific scrutiny. Nor do the other places where Jones’ 911 paper is published have any impact to the scientific community.) So where does she get this idea from? The only places she’s looked: from conspiracy theorists. Where else would she get this from? She isn’t a civil or structural engineer.

Steven Jones is not a civil engineer. Civil engineers in his own university don’t believe him so you can count him out as unbiased.

Then, if she concludes that WTC 7 could fall the way it did, I beg her to tell her fans. At least link to this site and let people make up their own mind.

Who’s Next to Host ABC’s The View — David Duke?

Who’s Next to Host ABC’s The View — David Duke?

By Steven Zak

Deniers of 9/11 and of the Holocaust are two of a kind. It is a given that television networks put profits above pride, but ABC has reached a new low in its sponsorship of Rosie O’Donnell. The daytime talk show host recently joined the world of “truthers” –people who believe that 9/11 was an attack staged by this country’s own government. 

On ABC’s popular The View, O’Donnell lent her expert opinion that it is impossible for the World Trade Center’s building 7 “to fall the way it fell without explosives being involved.” To say otherwise, she added, “is beyond ignorant.” (When she isn’t offering instruction on the fine points of structural engineering, O’Donnell entertains by hanging upside-down from a rope.)
If this all sounds like the howling of a rabid dog, O’Donnell isn’t alone in the kennel. A recent poll from the Scripps Research Center found that more than a third of Americans believe that 9/11 was an “inside job.” Those who actively promote the idea, though, are more than mere laughable loons. They bear resemblance to another particularly virulent conspiracy nut — the Holocaust denier.
It may be coincidence that O’Donnell’s 9/11 denial has manifested itself in such close proximity to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s “Holocaust conference” of last December, but she sounds a lot like many of its participants.
Both profess interest in the pursuit of truth.
Mahammad Ali Ramini, advisor to Ahmadinejad, announced that he would chair a committee to find “the truth on the genocide of Jews.”

O’Donnell says that she is merely “trying, as always, for a rigorous truth.”

And both profess total objectivity in that pursuit.
Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki made an offer to British Prime Minister Tony Blair to send “independent investigators” to visit former Nazi death camps — people “who are not sympathetic” to the Nazis nor “to the Zionist regime.”

“I have begun doing exactly what this country, at its best, allows for me to do,” wrote O’Donnell on her blog. “Inquire. Investigate.”

Yet for both, “truth” precedes “investigation.”
The Holocaust, Ahmadinejad said at the start of the “conference,” is a “myth.”

The terrorist attack of 9/11, said O’Donnell at the mere outset of her “inquiry,” “is impossible.”

Both make shameless use of fabricated math and science.
“The number of victims at the Auschwitz concentration camp,” said Australian Holocaust denier Frederick Toben, “could be about 2,007. The railroad to the camp did not have enough capacity to transfer large numbers of Jews.”

“I do believe that it’s the first time in history that fire has ever melted steel,” said O’Donnell. “It is physically impossible.”

And both cite “studies” or “experts” without actually citing any studies or experts.
“All the studies and research carried out so far have proven that there is no reason to believe that the Holocaust ever occurred,” said former Iranian interior minister and Hezbollah cofounder Ali Akbar Mohtashamipour.

“Look at the films, get a physics expert in here from Yale, from Harvard, pick the school,” said O’Donnell.

The worlds of deniers O’Donnell and Ahmadinejad intersected more overtly when the former defended the latter’s hostage taking of 15 British sailors and Royal Marines who, O’Donnell ruled by fiat, “went into Iranian waters and they were seized by the Iranians.” O’Donnell added her expression of sympathy for mass murderers the world over: “Don’t fear the terrorists. They’re mothers and fathers.” 
Only one with the most sinister sentiments toward the country that gave her so much for so little could express such warm regard for its most determined enemies. And therein lies the real similarity between Holocaust deniers and 9/11 deniers. The “theories” of both, which could otherwise only be explained as serious psychopathology, are but expressions of venom and bile. The former hate Jews (and, often, the United States). The latter hate the United States (and, often, Jews).
White House press secretary Tony Snow’s description of Ahmadinejad’s conference as “a platform of hatred,” then, applies as well to the current incarnation of The View:
Which leads to this question: If ratings were strong, would ABC allow, say, David Duke to host a show on which he preached his doubts about the Holocaust and his fondness for Nazis? Stay tuned and the answer will soon be revealed — by whether and how fast the network pulls the plug on O’Donnell. 

9/11 conspiracy-mongers and the advertisers who love them

Tokyo Rosie

Tokyo Rosie
By Investor’s Business Daily
Investor’s Business Daily | April 4, 2007

Crackpot 9/11 conspiracy theories are usually deemed beneath the dignity of network television. With Rosie O’Donnell now promoting the fringe, how embarrassed are ABC and Barbara Walters willing to be?Since joining ABC’s all-female talk show “The View” last year, comedienne and film star O’Donnell has exchanged insults with Donald Trump, and been labeled a bigot by Catholic League president William Donohue for what he called her “relentless and profoundly ignorant attacks on the Catholic Church and its teachings.” According to O’Donnell “radical Christianity is just as threatening as radical Islam.”

Famed interviewer Walters, co-host and co-owner of “The View,” and ABC might tolerate that kind of controversy. But will they accept her promotion of 9/11 conspiracy schemes? Last week, O’Donnell said the collapse of the 7 World Trade Center building “defies physics” because “it is impossible for a building to fall the way it fell without explosives being involved.”

In a post on her Web site, she ranted last month about how 7 WTC “contained offices of the FBI, Department of Defense, IRS (which contained prodigious amounts of corporate tax fraud, including Enron’s), U.S. Secret Service, Securities & Exchange Commission (with more stock fraud records), and Citibank’s Salomon Smith Barney, the mayor’s office of emergency management and many other financial institutions,” not to mention “the U.S. Secret Service’s largest field office with more than 200 employees.”

In recent days, O’Donnell suggested on “The View” that Iran’s capture of British seamen could be a plot by Britain and the U.S. to start a war with Iran. “Have governments ever faked incidents or incited incidents in order to get them into wars?” she asked.

O’Donnell smoothly transformed herself from history expert to a virtuoso in philosophy Thursday when a guest called the phrase “war on terror” propaganda. “Exactly,” O’Donnell exclaimed, because the phrase “makes people into evil and good.”

Reputable sources such as Popular Mechanics’ “Debunking 9/11 Myths” report and last year’s 10,000-page National Institute of Standards and Technology report have thoroughly debunked the 9/11 conspiracy crowd. While O’Donnell has a look at the facts they’ve assembled, she might also want to glance at her ABC contract — and get prepared to pull the cord on her golden parachute.

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Rosie O’Donnell, Charlie Sheen discover the TRUTH about 9/11!

by Bill Levinson

Hear Rosie O’Donnell talk about 9/11 (or gun control, or why Christians are no better than Islamofascists). Here is what O’Donnell’s and Charlie Sheen’s friends at the Loose Change web site say REALLY happened on 9/11. Before beginning, we will be the first to admit that this column lacks totally the decorum that one should show in debating an issue with a political opponent, but we do not recognize the producers of Loose Change, or their supporters like Rosie O’Donnell and Charlie Sheen, as “opponents.” We regard them as 9/11 deniers (in the same moral class as Holocaust deniers), and not worthy of the respect that a lady or gentleman of breeding accords a pet or domestic animal.

The central premise of Loose Change is that the United States Government was, at the very least, criminally negligent in allowing the attacks of September 11th, 2001 to occur.
However, when one looks deeper into the evidence, one might come to the startling conclusion that our own government might have been directly responsible for the attacks themselves.
Loose Change merely scratches the surface of information that points to a massive government cover-up regarding 9/11. We highly encourage you to take it upon yourself to research the events of 9/11 for yourself and come to your own conclusions.

We remind our readers that 9/11 Denial is the same thing as Holocaust Denial, except that it dismisses, explains away, or blames on someone else (as the Soviets blamed the Katyn Forest massacre on the Germans, when they did it themselves) four missing airplanes and two missing skyscrapers instead of six million missing Jews and three million missing Polish Catholics. Their association with Loose Change and 9/11 conspiracy theories therefore puts Rosie O’Donnell, Charlie Sheen, the producers of Loose Change, and MoveOn.org into the same class as Holocaust deniers. Having said that, we will now have some entertainment at these sideshow freaks’ expense.

Here is what her blog says, and it might as well have been copied from MoveOn.org’s Action Forum, which also was full of 9/11 conspiracy theories.

hold on folks, here we go

• The fires in WTC 7 were not evenly distributed, so a perfect collapse was impossible.
• Silverstein said to the fire department commander “the smartest thing to do is pull it.”
• Firefighters withdrawing from the area stated the building was going to “blow up”.
• The roof of WTC 7 visibly crumbled and the building collapsed perfectly into its footprint.
• Molten steel and partially evaporated steel members were found in the debris.

[WTC 7] contained offices of the FBI, Department of Defense, IRS (which contained prodigious amounts of corporate tax fraud, including Enron’s), US Secret Service, Securities & Exchange Commission (with more stock fraud records), and Citibank’s Salomon Smith Barney, the Mayor’s Office of Emergency Management and many other financial institutions. [Online Journal]


Yes, Rosie, sure, Rosie, we understand, Rosie, and did you take your medications this morning?

Here is an animation we made for Rosie O’Donnell in 2000, when she was the keynote Spokespig for the Million Mom March. There is little doubt that she was indeed squealing like a stuck pig by 2001, while there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth in the offices of the Brady Campaign (formerly Handgun Control Inc.), but the key point is that the following animation shows what we thought of this phony as long ago as seven years ago. Since then, she has proven us right at every opportunity.


Re: “You should have used contraceptives.” Or gone with Plan B, as John Edwards’ blogger Amanda Marcotte suggested that Jesus’ mother should have done. In any event, Rosie, your Million Mom March has been retroactively Plan B-d and tossed in the ash bin of history where it belongs. We digress, however, and we must add that Rosie O’Donnell is not the only mindless Hollywood celebrity who thinks Elvis Presely, the Bush Administration, the Zionist Occupied Government, and/or space aliens (as opposed to Islamofascists chanting to Allah) perpetrated 9/11:

http://www.postchronicle.com/news/original/article_21270542.shtml

As far as the plane that crashed into the Pentagon – Sheen isn’t even certain that event even occurred. Red State.com notes that [Charlie] Sheen outlined his disbelief that the official story of what happened at the Pentagon matched the crash site’s evidence.

“Show us this incredible maneuvering, just show it to us. Just show us how this particular plane pulled off these maneuvers. 270 degree turn at 500 miles and hour descending 7,000 feet in two and a half minutes, skimming across treetops the last 500 meters.”

Pssssssst! Rosie and Charlie, we’d better help you out. You, along with the MoveOn community that has taken care to wear tinfoil hats 24/7 to keep out the mind control rays, know the TRUTH. Now here is material taken directly from MoveOn.org’s Action Forum, which was posted there by others who know the TRUTH about 9/11 and were not affected by the Bush Administration’s, Neocons’, and/or space aliens’ mind control rays.

[MoveOn.org Action Forum] Marvin Bush (brother) was head of Securicom, the firm in charge of security of the WTC until 9/11. Coincidence?
Prof. Steven Jones (BYU) has found residue of explosives used in controlled demolitions in samples of steel from WTC.
The official explanation of why the towers fell is that heat from jet fuel weakened the steel and the collapse of the upper floors caused a “pancake” effect and each floor collapsed from the weight of the floors above it crashing down. I’d believe that if the melting point of steel weren’t 1,000 degrees hotter than jet fuel can burn, if most of the fuel hadn’t exploded outside the building upon impact, and if the towers didn’t fall at free-fall speed, as if there were not 47 steel columns holding the floors up in the air. [Hey— did you know that steel softens and loses considerable structural strength long before it actually melts?]
NORAD, our national air-defense system stood down and did not intercept the hi-jacked planes. Our military was conducting several war-game excersises [sic] which simulated hi-jacked airliners being flown into buildings. This gave cover for the real-world terror plot to happen, allowing the FAA to think the hi-jacked planes were part of the wargames and not take action of their own.
Flights 93 and 77 were not even scheduled to fly on 9/11. None of the terrorists were even on the passenger manifests!

Ask questions, demand answers. Soon, it will be too late to freely ask these questions.

Yes, the TRUTH is out there, and you must wear your tinfoil hat 24/7 or your brain will be wiped clean with everyone else’s.

[MoveOn.org Action Forum] Another neo-con appeared today on C-Span to defend Bush and his spying program! I am Jewish and proud of it (despite everything) but I am sick of seeing those neo-cons posing as average joes on national television to defend Bush and his lies. Since they don’t have the decency or honesty to identify themselves by saying: “But you know, I am a Zionist and may be biased” and since most Americans can’t tell the difference and don’t have the courage to ask, maybe they should be forced to wear an Israeli flag on the lapel of their jackets. Isn’t it time to tell the American people the truth, i.e. that Jews control all the media.

And the Joooooooooooz control your minds as well, unless of course you wear a tinfoil hat to stop their Evil Mind Control Rays.

[MoveOn.org Action Forum] Fascism With Two Faces
Why bang our heads against the wall trying to decide which side would best combat terrorism? Both sides are just as incompetent. Both sides worked to erect the terrorism boogie man in the first place. Both sides supported the war on terrorism. The whole issue is just another strawman to set up and knock down.
What happened on 9/11/01 was obviously the controlled demolition of the WTC buildings, especially the third building which we are led to believe was just a fluke of nature. Both the Brownshirts and the Blackshirts are silent about this.
It is all about switching from the cold war mentality between the two superpowers to a different Boogie Man to fight to the death, as the cold war Boogie Man had fizzled out.

The point is taken from “1984″ by George Orwell, but he forgot to spell it out for us: Do not believe the obvious, Big Brother will tell us what is obvious.

[MoveOn.org Action Forum] First, you’re right about one thing: Bush is no Hitler. Hitler was a socialist and believed in something beside money. He did not dodge real military service and he believed at least in Germany which was a real nation and not a corporation like the US. Moreover, Hitler did not use depleted uranium and phosphorous to burn people alive. He did not condone the torture of prisoners “for fun” or “to relieve stress”.
[”I knew Adolf Hitler. Adolf Hitler was a friend of mine. And believe me, Mr. Bush, you are no Hitler!”]

Second, regarding 9/11, you obviously are ill informed. Let me refer you to a few videos and web sites that might open your Jewish eyes (no offense, I am Jewish myself and was once blind too).
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2023320890224991194
http://www.911truestory.com or http://www.911truth.org
Aren’t you curious about why Bush was against a 9/11 Commission? Why no real police investigation was conducted? Why no black box, parts of planes like engines or bodies were recovered? Why whatever was recovered was quickly shipped out of the country? Why, in a way that is totally unprecedented and not repeated since, buildings burned and collapsed like paper houses even the building that wasn‘t hit by planes and where there were just two minor fires? Did you know that some of the alleged hijackers who supposedly died on the planes have since been seen? [In the UFO with Elvis, no doubt.] Don’t you ask why the volume of put options on Boeing and American Airlines were two or three times higher than usual just before the facts? Do you know that a huge amount of gold that was stored in one of the towers is still not accounted for? These are but a few of the many questions that remain unanswered.
I wish that before you publish a book about the Menace in Europe, you think about the real damage that this country has inflicted on mankind since it came into existence 200 plus years ago.

Don’t tell anyone, and keep wearing those tinfoil hats to keep the mind control rays out! (Meanwhile, some very nice men in clean white coats are coming to take you to a beautiful country resort where everything is peaceful and quiet, and there are diligent nurses to make sure you take your medications every day, along with soft padded rooms to make sure you do not inflict harm on yourselves…)

Posted by Bill Levinson @ 6:00 pm |

Room with a View: Al-Qaeda Thanks Rosie

by Steve Yuhas

Room with a View: Al-Qaeda Thanks Rosie

March 16, 2007 01:00 PM EST

Rosie O’Donnell has done a lot for the hen-house gals over at The View: she got their ratings to jump when she feigned a comb-over with her splint ended bull dyke hair and the world waited with baited breath to see how Barbara Walters would react when Donald Trump revealed that Walters was embarrassed by O’Donnell’s behavior. The best thing to happen for ABC, though, had to happen when Rosie brought in the latest group of View supporters: GITMO prisoners and as the television show of choice for al-Qaeda safe houses around the world.

How happy ABC must be that the woman they’ve decided to sit at the adult (or thinning – you decide) end of the table is the one that would be most likely to come to the defense of the mastermind of the attack that killed thousands of people just miles from the studio. If The View being made the morning program of choice for the death to America crowd isn’t enough – there is not much else that can be done to let ABC know that having an America hating hen at the table is unacceptable to rational people.

On Saturday Khalid Sheikh Mohammed confessed to a litany of terrorist events – some happened and some didn’t. One event that surely was successful was September 11, 2001 for which Mohammed told a military tribunal, “I was responsible for the 9/11 operation from A to Z.” His confession was not enough for ABC’s O’Donnell who is unconvinced.

O’Donnell dismisses Mohammed’s outlined specifics about the acts of war against America that ranged from the beheading of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl in Pakistan to attacks that never came to fruitarian because of either good law enforcement or dumb luck by talking bad about America. her complaint is (what else) torture, oh and that Mohammed had a bad picture. Note to law enforcement – bad pictures may be enough to sway a hen even after a terrorist makes a confession.

Admitting to 31 actual or would be terrorist attacks is not enough for O’Donnell because shortly after the show began and the gals began their roundtable clucking of banter Rosie decided to defend a terrorist. “I think the man has been under custody in secret CIA torture prisons and Guantanamo Bay where torture is accepted and allowed – and he finally is the guy who admits to doing everything.”

Leave it to Rosie, who cannot use malnutrition or an eating disorder as an excuse for poor thinking or an inability to speak in a coherent manner, to come to the defense of a killer; someone that we know is a killer, Bill Clinton knew was a killer and who even the Pakistanis agree is a killer.

I suppose it is easy when you have a couple of chins not to worry about having your throat cut, but I hope Rosie is aware that the next time terrorists come calling to New York – al-Qaeda is not going to chopper her to a secret location in advance. These people are dead set on killing us and have been doing it for decades – Rosie becoming their spokes model will not change that.

Terrorists are not going to remember the day that Rosie came to the defense of one of their own on ABC just down the street from their most successful death to America rallying points. Rosie will die right along with everyone else.

The people who will and should remember the day Rosie sided with al-Qaeda are the American people who see first hand what ABC’s morning show has to offer. With the possible exception of Elisabeth Hasselbeck (a more rational member of the clucking foursome) ABC’s morning line-up includes a group of women who sit around and chat with coffee cups; it was cute when they did it and made fun of Donald Trump because nobody really cares about him; I do care when they cluck about terrorists and pretend that America is the bad guy.

Unfortunately ABC allowed O’Donnell to begin her morning diatribe against America by pretending that Mohammed is just a guy that turned up on a police raid instead of someone that was sought for years for his role in killing Americans and that the Clinton administration helped indict six years before the Towers fell in 2001. What O’Donnell lacks in intelligence and finesse (and probably mothering skills and obviously grammar) she more than makes up for in stupid inferences that America is somehow to blame for the evil that reeks in Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

The best part of The View, something I was compelled to watch because of the mixed company in the auto dealership I happened to be in having my tires rotated (I should have called Rosie, I hear lesbians are good with their hands), was not listening in to conversations that didn’t include me (I’m Jewish – nosey by nature). It was when I realized that women in the room just sat at the edges of their seat listening to O’Donnell blame America for how Mohammed looked shaking their heads.

“And look, this is the picture they release of him. Doesn’t he look healthy?” If looking healthy means looking like you weigh as much as Rosie on the day of your arrest then yeah, I guess he looks healthy since all that is shown is his arrest photo.

The point is that ABC has in Rosie O’Donnell a woman who is not satisfied talking about Donald Trump; she has decided that her ire should be placed on the United States and her sympathy should go to the man who was once in the leadership of the people who would nuke us if they had the chance. As long as ABC signs her paycheck and as long as Americans keep watching she will just keep on saying the nutty anti-American things she does with little challenge.

I make my living in the First Amendment business and I thank G-d for it everyday, but the message should be sent to ABC that when you’re going to have a bunch of women sitting around as a captive audience to hear what Rosie will say next – you should hope that you distance yourself when she shows compassion not for the widows of 9-11 or their children, but the man who helped make it happen.

Steve Yuhas is a radio talk show host on AM 600 KOGO in southern California. He may be reached at steve@steveyuhas.com or www.steveyuhas.com

Hey, Rosie: Read my lips

Rosie O: Don’t fear terrorists, they’re just moms and dads

Rosie O: Don’t fear terrorists, they’re just moms and dads
‘You can walk through life believing in the goodness of the world, or walk through afraid of anyone who thinks different than you’


Posted: November 12, 2006
7:18 p.m. Eastern


© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

TV host Rosie O’Donnell says there’s no reason for Americans to fear terrorists because they are just moms and dads like us.

On her ABC show “The View” last Thursday, the shoot-from-the-lip actress-comedienne explained in less-than Rooseveltian fashion that Americans have nothing to fear but fear itself.

“Faith or fear, that’s your choice,” she told co-host Elizabeth Hasselbeck and panelists including Barbara Walters and Beverly Sills.

“You can walk through life believing in the goodness of the world, or walk through life afraid of anyone who thinks different than you and trying to convert them to your way of thinking. And I think that this country … .”

To which Hasselbeck interjected: “Well, I’m a person of faith, so I, but I also believe … .”

“Well then, get away from the fear,” interrupted O’Donnell. “Don’t fear the terrorists. They’re mothers and fathers.”

O’Donnell also said few were willing to speak out against the Iraq war in the beginning because, “people were blacklisted. We were close to the McCarthy era, where if you said that you were against the policies of the administration, you were called unpatriotic.”

On Sept. 12, O’Donnell said on the show “radical Christianity is just as threatening as radical Islam in a country like America.”