Web extra: Congressman Herger calls Obama plan ‘threat to democracy’

Web extra: Congressman Herger calls Obama plan ‘threat to democracy’


By Paul Boerger

Republican Congressman Wally Herger of northern California denounced president Obama’s health care plan at an Aug. 18, 2009 town hall meeting in Redding, Calif.

Redding, Calif. –

Republican Congressman Wally Herger held a health care town hall meeting Aug. 18 at Simpson University in Redding, where a partisan crowd of over 2,000 people loudly cheered Herger’s position that a public option was “unacceptable.”
Although Herger called several times for the audience to “respect each other’s opinions,” those opposed to president Obama’s health care were greeted with cheers while the few in favor were interrupted with catcalls.
Herger did not hold back on his opinion of the health care plan and the administration’s appointment of “czars” to head various departments and task forces.
“Our democracy has never been threatened as much as it is today,” Herger said to a loud standing ovation.
Although there were not the kind of disruptions that have been reported at Democratic representative’s town hall meetings, an altercation in the back of the auditorium resulted in Redding police having to intervene and hustle two people out of the room. Police reported that a woman is alleged to have clawed a man’s face in repose to his having pushed her while arguing over the health care plan. The investigation continues.
After denouncing the Obama plan to wild cheering, Herger offered a few solutions of his own including opening up competition among private health care companies by forcing companies to sell policies nationwide rather than just within individual states, tort reform to bring down malpractice costs and “risk pools like automobile companies” for those with preexisting conditions who Herger conceded are unable to get coverage. He also suggested “bargaining groups and associations” could help bring down costs.
“Health care costs have soared,” Herger said. “But I will oppose a public option with everything I have.”
Speakers included several opposed to Obama holding up copies of the Constitution and asking Herger to show where it says Congress has the right to be involved in health care.
Herger said the federal government does have a limited role to play in health care noting, “We do lots of things that are not in the Constitution.”
“There are things we can do with health care, as long as the government is not running it,” Herger said.
One speaker said he could trace his ancestors back to the Mayflower and said “they did not arrive holding their hands out for help.”
“I am a proud right wing terrorist,” he declared to cheers.
Herger praised the man’s attitude.
“Amen, God bless you,” Herger said with a broad smile. “There is a great American.”
The majority of citizens came to the microphone to denounce the health care plan as “socialist” and “a government takeover,” but a few, including several from Siskiyou County, spoke in favor of Obama’s plan.
Mount Shastan Craig Vivas asked Herger if “health care is a right?” and if not, “Who should be denied?”
“Forty seven million people are without health care insurance in America,” Vivas said.
Herger responded by saying “everyone should have access to health care” without declaring it a “right.”
“You call it a right. I call it something else,” Herger said.
Vivas said in an interview that Herger “believes in the unfettered free market as the solution to all social problems. That is a fallacy he shares with many other Americans.”
An Redding obstetrician echoed Vivas’ right to health care question saying, “We need to debate the issue.”
“If we decide it is a right, however, we have to have fiscal solvency,” he said.
Mount Shasta physical therapist Neil Posson said the United States is “the only democracy in the world that does not have universal health care.”
“We have average life expectancy compared to other countries and spend huge amounts of money,” Posson said.
Although opposed to the Obama plan, several speakers said that family members had been forced into bankruptcy because of medical bills “and that was with insurance.”
“There are many things we can do,” Herger responded without going into specifics.
Speakers brought up subjects far afield of heath care that included illegal immigration and the carbon cap and trade bill recently passed by Congress. Herger called the cap and trade law “environmental extremism.”
“Health care is not the only threat to our democracy,” Herger said.
Herger noted that the last election resulted in the Democrats having a majority in both houses of Congress.
“They can vote in anything they want,” Herger said. “The only thing standing between you and them voting in anything they want is you.”

‘Wee-weed up:’ White House explains it Obama doesn’t have the guts to say “pissed off”

Posted August 21, 2009 11:55 AM

by Mark Silva

So what did the president mean when he said this week that everyone’s getting all “wee-weed up” in Washington?

“It’s a phrase I use,” White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said today, hesitating at his press briefing to offer a physical demonstration of the phraseology.

“Let’s do this in a way that’s family friendly,” Gibbs said. “I think ‘wee-weed up’ is when people get all nervous for no particular reason….

“August of 2008, everybody was nervous about whether the entire presidential campaign was slipping out from the hands of the president,” Gibbs said, turning the page to this August, in which all the president’s critics are declaring his health-care initiatives in peril. “This is sort of an August pundit pattern of people getting overly nervous about something that has a long way to go…

“Bedwetting would probably be the more consumer-friendly term for it,” the press secretary said.

“I hesitate to call August a make it or break it” month, Gibbs said today of the president’s troubles with health-care as he departs today for a week’s vacation at Martha’s Vineyard off the coast of Cape Cod.

“Much is always made of where things are at a certain point in the process,” Gibbs said, but the White House isn’t focused on “the 24-hour news cycle… I don’t know that I would too much into any specific time period like August.”

This specific time period, however, has brought a new low-point in the president’s public job approval-ratings – down to 51 percent this week in the Gallup Poll, the Pew Research Center’s poll and the NBC/Wall Street Journal poll released this week. An ABC/Washington Post poll today shows that fewer than half of Americans surveyed – 45 percent – support the health-care reform as it has been explained to date, with 50 percent opposed.



The focus now, Gibbs says, is getting a bill through the House and Senate.

The president was meeting privately at the White House this morning with Tom Daschle, the former Senate majority leader who is an expert on health care and was set to serve as Obama’s secretary of Health and Human Services until his own personal income tax problems derailed his appointment.

Asked about the importance of bipartisan support for a bill in which divisions between the parties are only growing deeper, Gibbs said:

“The president is going to evaluate ultimately any piece of legislation as to whether it meets his goals and principles for health-care reform… The president’s goal is not to print a banner and sign a bill just so somebody can say we’ve reformed health care.”

The president and his family leave for Camp David today en route to a private estate at Martha’s Vineyard, for a vacation that will last through Sunday, Aug. 30. Asked about one critic’s complaint about the vacation, Gibbs said: “I don’t think the American people begrudge the president taking some time with his family that’s well deserved.”

Health care and AMA

Rec’d this from a good friend of ours in Corpus Christi , TX  who was diagnosed with cancer last year.  See what his doctor is saying….
I can vouch for this to a degree.  Wednesday, I was at the doctor whom I have been going to since we moved down here (he is the one who discovered my cancer).  I have to get a very expensive shot every 3 months ($3000) that is designed to keep the PSI down and help to prevent a recurrence of the cancer.  Has some uncomfortable side effects, and I was questioning the need to continue with it, which he assured me was necessary.  He then asked how old I was, and when I replied 70, he said that if this legislation goes through as intended by the powers that be, that I probably would not be able to get it next year, as that would be money better spent on someone else with greater longevity.  I would be referred to someone to “counsel” me.

I asked him why the AMA had recently endorsed the plan.  He replied that only about 15% of the nation’s doctors were members of AMA, and most of them were not really on the front lines of doctorhood but in some other areas of medicine.  He said he was a member, but would not be after this membership year. 

 This man got part of his training in London , and practiced in Canada for 16 years before coming to the US , and he has no use for socialized medicine, regardless of how you wrap it, or what kind of bow to put on it.  He said that we have a shortfall of around 400,000 doctors at the present time, and many of today’s doctors are of the baby boomer generation who are nearing retirement and/or will decide to hang it up rather than deal with the results this is sure to bring.
Scary, my friends.  The picture for our age group is not pretty.




In England anyone over 59 cannot receive heart repairs or stents or  bypass because it is not covered as being too expensive and not needed.
Obama wants to have a healthcare system just like Canada ‘s and  England ‘s. I got this today and am sending it on.
If Obama’s plans in other areas don’t scare you, this should.
Please do not let Obama sign senior death warrants.

Everybody that is on this mailing list is either a senior citizen, is getting close or knows somebody that is.

Most of you know by now that the Senate version (at least) of the “stimulus” bill includes provisions for extensive rationing of health care for senior citizens. The author of this part of the bill, former senator and tax evader,  Tom Daschle was credited today by Bloomberg with the following statement:
Bloomberg: Daschle says “health-care reform will not be pain free. Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them..”

If this does not sufficiently raise your ire, just remember that our  esteemed Senators and Congressmen have their own healthcare plan  that is first dollar or very low co-pay which they are guaranteed  the remainder of their lives and are not subject to this new law if it passes.

Please use the power of the Internet to get this message out.
Talk it up at the grassroots level.  We have an election coming up in one year and five months.  And we have the ability to address and reverse the dangerous direction the Obama administration and its allies have begun and in the interim, we can make their lives miserable. Lets do this!

If you disagree, do nothing.